No more votes about money grants for 6 months

OH BOY,

I am loving you,
for once someone with the knowleage and espertise. and the patiance to actualy write it out.

that noticed that they are asking for lots of money for a part time weekend job,
as they said themselfs in live chats, they already have a full time job…

and you noticed that someone that knows , is not that much work to set that catalitics up, especially with this AI coding they all use now.,…

also you demostrated their toxic and acnoctious atitude…
puting you down with their resposes instead of aswering concerns,
while also acting like nobility…

love you brov,
you really broght their true colors out

He did not add anything honestly.

He threw around some buzzwords from google tech-stack, DBs and Web-coding.

He proved lengthy, that he did not realy read the proposal with his insistence on the catalytics project, backend, hosting requirements and so on.

But well just FYI: the DevRel proposal is about Dev Relations. Not their already running community projects.

So it remains with this Quote:

Cheers! :sailboat:

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You want the Jupiverse to grow? Be the central hub for all “cool things” in the Internet?
Like already proposed in the DAO probably with online games, a decentralized and fair etzy, ebay and what so ever?
Well Jupiter Team is all about the Exchange and the Aggregator (this includes the Jupiverse profile and hub).
But who do you think will buidl all the other “cool things”?

The DevRel WG is about forging connections, to support and foster new talent and last but not least they shall even kickstart projects.

These projects will get a nice design from the beginning thanks to the DAWG and plenty of support and engagement from the CAWG & the community. So now, if this works out, just imagine the synergy and the possible value boost for the Jupiverse and for JUP. Especially if these projects incorporate JUP as something useful.

:exploding_head:

Cheers! :sailboat:

And I cant see how junior devs should be appropriate for this task. (Just one of all of these invalid points. Invalid because they address a different topic.)

is that not what the whole of JUP does, throw buzz words around,

and yeah , it says alot about you people,
when you could aswer the question in 5 seconds,
but instead you chose to say something like that, that basically means, go google it,

very 2025 yes

so basically their job for 5 grand a month is to chat on discord over coffee,
ok got it

Not full time though right? This 1-2 week we keep referring to is if you were focused full time on it (and again being generous here…) This project start date is the same as YOE in the market, it’s a signal but not really a good one.

You might’ve missed in my reply above but I did put that assumption up there. What you describe is just a very common flow of iterating, happens in most companies that are not a giant corporate (I am sure you are familiar with waterfall/agile methodologies so no point referring to this).

I don’t understand how you get any points across. What untrue fact am I focusing on? I might as well just say your proposal is invalid and pat myself in the back that I made a good point?

I put out a crap app to demo you that setting something up is effortless and scraped some initial data just to see whether what you said about the complexities of looking into the Governance are true but turns out they are not. In fact it’s extremely easy to get all the governance history out as long as you can afford what you need to query (no clue if you go over the free API limits or not).

That is not really for you but more to show other users what can be done in minimal time because non-devs have no clue what effort it really takes. Maybe if vibe coding takes over people will be more familiar with it but I really don’t expect anything out of it.

I mean, once you reach lead level that’s essentially how it goes? Your background is very vague so I have no idea what type of company you’ve worked at but I can tell you at Staff level in FAANG, which I am familiar with, you do that every day. You have a domain and then find problems and solve them, not everything is prescribed.

Overall, as per your proposal, you are not being hired as solely as a dev so why should you be paid a full dev salary?

Just nitpicking on one point (I don’t want to write an essay on something that already passed and it’s a waste of my and your focus):

Do you know how vague start getting maintained is? It could literally mean just make sure the repo doesn’t get deleted and you’d fulfill that goal. There is no roadmap presented so really how is that accountability? Again if you have posted the specifics in the thread somewhere I didn’t read it. Similar to, hopefully, most users I only read the initial proposal.

Happy to agree to disagree, I personally don’t see it.

Anyway I have a bad compulsion of having to answer points made that I see as iffy so I’ll try my best to stop. The one point I’d want to highlight again is that the proposal is misleading by nature. You cannot, with good intentions, say in the proposal you are full time and then have another 70% full time job. Not only is it not healthy for you, it’s not what the vast majority of users would expect of a fulltime. This would be sensible if there is a roadmap and you can measure your deliverables. That way, regardless of time spent, you can tell what works.

This is also just you, I have no idea about the other 2 in the proposal.

Do you think it’s fair I market myself as doing a full time job but then be holding 2 other jobs? That’s the initial trigger for my response by the way as I mentioned before when I was reading of some tales in r/overemployed.


One point I didn’t make in this thread yet is that this would make a lot more sense if you are being hired full time. I’d probably have almost no qualms about it and seeing the 3 month as a probation period. What is a waste of time/resources is someone coming in for 3 months and then disappearing (which hopefully is not the case as you say in your long term vision). Hopefully you can see a tiny bit from a third party perspective how this looks closer to a cash grab and making use of the funds available but maybe you genuinely believe you are being underpaid for this.

Personal opinion is that this only works in the DAO. I am quite certain if you were a consultant trying to pitch this to a client that is using their money you’d never get it through.

As for your replies @SailorJupiter, no point spending time on you as you are clearly biased one side and can’t discuss the actual topic. Konstantinos, unlike you, is making reasonable points from their perspective. It just so happens we both disagree which is more than fair. Discussing in the open is for the benefits of others not me or them so I am not really going to entertain your comments because you are here not to add value but just ignite the discussion on fire.

I mean I would’ve just preferred if all this info was out in the open and not hidden here. I wouldn’t say they are nefarious or anything. Two opposite thoughts can happily coexist. What I want is for other users to also be able to see the two sides of the coin and not just blindly follow the crowd.


All I wanted to see when I first joined this forum is for people to actual engage in some thinking and not focus on the money. I think throughout these last months I have just evidence of otherwise again and again which is why I will withdraw from it.

Understandable, in the end people need to pay bills and not everyone is in a fortunate position to look beyond it.

As I said a few times before, no hard feelings and best of luck @Konstantinos. I hope no other point comes out before my compulsion makes me reply again :frowning:

:rofl:

Konstantinos wasted enough time to try to get you to the actual topic. I’m not going to write another roman about it.

You’re totally off-roads. And the actual topic is: No more votes about money grants for 6 months
My first answer was to even this actual topic: First DAO Funding

Totally lost “manager”.

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I understand you perfectly well man,

they are just trying to sound smart in-front of none computer science people…
without actually been clear, you tryed to make them splain clearly, but they refuse, reverting back to trying to discredit you instead of clearing doghts and concerns,

I also understand, that if they realy where able to code, a bit more than just using AI for it,
they could pull so much info and statistics from the blockchain to be visable, like wale wallets actions, staticstics and so much more,
but it sounds like they are in their high horse now, and they are not going to get off it.

LOVE

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and you are totally arrogant and condescending…

instead of trying to be helpful and solving problems…

I am the most evil and rude guy here…
if you wanna compete in that

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Well, if this cheers you up, I’ll pick another of your (actually valid) arguments here:

I totally agree on this one. This can’t be the long-term solution. But afaik they said they want to go “full in” - so I’d suppose in case this WG goes to a full (not trial) WG they will drop their job.
@Konstantinos am I correct? I’d actually love to know as well.

Cheers! :sailboat:

and just before you start cry babying , “THIS IS OFF TOPIC”

this is a real actual conversation everyone can read and ponder about, clear as day..
tecnical stuff, asking about konstantinos credentiasl for example instead of just using big buzz words to fill the page…

this is the real chat

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they already getting paid 5k for part time brov

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Source: Trial Proposal: DevRel Working Group (DRWG) - #113 by SailorJupiter

Reading is a virtue :winking_face_with_tongue:

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arrogance is not

but you at least brought up the actual info…
first you told me at least before telling me to go google , or go read it.

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Not really questioning anyone’s credentials, in this context it’s a bit meaningless. The only credential that matters is what they delivered and is visible (e.g catalytics hence my focus on it, answers they provided in the channel I never read, …).

There is good experience and bad experience. Just cause someone has worked 10 years somewhere doesn’t really mean much. If that’s all it took there would be no interview processes :slight_smile:

I interview and make hiring decisions for positions paying multiples of what the whole monthly budget is for the trial. I am desensitised enough to tell you that there is a lot of bad experience out there event if they work at good companies.

In these environments usually it’s not worth focusing too much on background especially when you can’t get the chance to question it (hence why my focus on technical points in the first parts of the conversation which unfortunately we didn’t get the chance to dive into any as every discussion is cutoff and derailed).

In the crypto world it’s even worse. You have plenty talented developers without any credentials so I wouldn’t go about reaching much conclusion through that angle.

Anyway meow has already spoke on this votes topic and as I also agreed we are derailing more. It’s not worth anyone’s time to discuss this further (unless someone gets some actual benefit or insight which seems to not be the case, everyone is firm on their position).

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now this guy has the confidence, the expertice, the patiance,
and his deminor tells me, he is not bullshiting,
always conversing in a calm manner, unlike myself,
he knows what he knows and he knows he knows it,

xD

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Agree, there’s a lot of “Dunning Krugers” around these days. But I suppose that’s what the trial is ment for. Now they will hopefully deliver.

I can see their vision and I share it. So I’m in full support, indeed. If they succeed this would be a huge leap for the DAO imho.

Agree.

And as I said earlier, I also agree on your “full time + side job” argument. As this is a three month trial, thus far away from a secure workplace, I wouldn’t ask them to quit their jobs now though, maybe they can take a long holiday? But at the end of the day, it’s their choice* (decision) if they want to sleep the next three month or commit their full free-time. This should be subject of the full WG Proposal.

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how do we plan to grow and take advatage of upside and community involvement if we dont do it now?
We need to pay committed development and work no one is doing it for free.