Discussion: Representatives vs. Opt-In Delegation

Following the resounding success of DAO Resolution Part 1, the DAO has clarified its purpose.

We must now clarify how we can accelerate towards accomplishing that purpose.

This post will focus on a - highly theoretical - Representative system. It is not intended as a proposal, but rather as a chance for public debate. Depending on how sentiment goes, we can go to a proposal accordingly.

Option 1: Representative System

After dozens of conversations and multiple proposals in the Jup Research Forum, it’s become clear that there are several problems with the current pace and scale of voting.

Problem #1: DAO is slowed down by vote backlogs. The DAO has grand ambitions, and must be able to act quickly to make those ambitions real. When the DAO was incepted it was imagined that every voter would participate in all of these things. But in order to ensure that all voters have a chance to weigh in on each proposal, we are often left with vote backlogs, slowing down the DAO’s progress.

At the time of this writing, there are at least 7 upcoming proposals that need to be voted on. If we were to space these out, 1 every two weeks, it would take us until the middle of Q3 just to clear the current backlog - assuming nothing else new/important comes up! Some votes are also time-sensitive and affected by external factors, making vote scheduling even more complex.

Problem #2: Some stakers are asking for fewer, but more meaningful votes. To paraphrase the great Biggie Smalls, mo’ votes, mo’ problems. With so many stakers, it’s unrealistic to expect every voter to be actively engaged every single week. There is a certain degree of bandwidth and attention that every vote requires to become adequately informed. Voters have lives, they have work, they have shifting priorities. In short, they are humans. They are not voting-machines. In times when we have tried doing many votes, back-to-back-to-back, voter dissatisfaction has grown dramatically. The DAO should ask something of its stakers, but it should not ask too much.

Currently, the Jupiter DAO functions as a direct democracy. Every vote requires the input of every eligible voter. This is not the way the real world works, and for good reason.

Instead of overwhelming ALL voters with every decision, Option 1 is to create a Representative system, where a limited number of Representatives vote on “small” proposals, while the full DAO votes on “big” proposals.

The Representatives would be democratically decided based on Delegated Stake Weight. The top 301 wallets by Delegated Stake Weight would become Representatives for other DAO voters only on proposals that require less than $350,000 (USDC + JUP) in funding. Anything above that threshold would still go to a full DAO vote.

The number of Representatives was chosen to be big enough to enable participation from a large number of community leaders while still keeping coordination manageable.

When a vote comes before the DAO Representatives, each Representative receives only 1 vote, regardless of their amount of Delegated Stake. This ensures equality amongst representatives so that no smaller groups can control the outcome of a representative vote via large amounts of stake and crowd out other voters. Further, each wallet could only delegate to a single Representative, to avoid whales being able to split their stake across multiple Representatives and controlling governance.

Any $JUP staker could campaign in the community in order to attract Delegated Stake. Even a small staker who can make a compelling argument or demonstrate their credibility can, in theory, accumulate enough stake to become a DAO Representative.

The beauty of this system is that any individual staker who WANTS to be involved in every proposal can still change their Representative on a vote-by-vote basis, in case their previously chosen Representative is voting against their interest. In this fashion, no one is disenfranchised, and can actively participate if they want to. But the vast majority of stakers would not need to pay close attention to governance on a day-to-day basis unless they wanted to.

The upside of this system is that the DAO would benefit from faster decision making (via Representatives who can vote weekly) and more agility. Stakers who are less interested in governance benefit from being able to rely on the opinions of trusted community leaders who attract delegated stake. And Stakers who are very interested in governance can change their delegation on a vote by vote basis to ensure their opinion is always heard. Further, it would create a class of Community Leaders who campaign, make their voices heard, and network within the community in order to attract Delegated Stake. This system relieves the vast majority of the stakers from having to remained involved in the day-to-day discussions of “small” budget decisions. The downside is that there may be some people who want to directly vote themselves on every issue - big or small - and in this scenario they’d have to find a Representative who matches their viewpoint and moving their Delegation, rather than voting themselves directly.

Both the specific number of Representatives (e.g. 301) and the budget threshold ($350k) are up for discussion - would love to know your thoughts below!

Option 2: Opt-In Delegation

The alternative system would be to create an OPTIONAL delegation program.

In this system, every single vote would remain a full DAO vote. But individuals who didn’t want to participate could simply delegate their stake to someone else that they trust.

This system has the added benefit of helping those with multiple wallets consolidate their voting power into one wallet, rather than needing to manually vote with every wallet they have.

The upside is that everyone directly votes from their own wallet in every decision unless they decide to actively delegate away their voting power. It will continue on the DAO’s path of widespread voter participation and ensure that every single DAO vote has a more direct social mandate, since every vote is offered to everybody.

The downside is that every vote will still require coordinating across the entire DAO, rather than a concentrated number of Representatives who can, in theory, move more quickly and remain more engaged. That means, likely, fewer votes to avoid voter dissatisfaction.

Logistics of Both Systems

We’d begin by creating a new governance website that lets all JUP stakers delegate their stake to another wallet. On that website, each wallet’s prior voting history would be shown, along with their jup_research and discord username (and, optionally, their Twitter username). With 1 click, a JUP Staker would be able to delegate their stake to any other wallet.

In option 1, the top 301 recipients of Delegated Stake would then become DAO Representatives. Stakers can delegate to themselves or to another person with the entirety of their JUP. We will not allow the splitting of stake, to avoid a situation where individual whales are able to divide their stake and take control of governance.

In option 2, anyone who has voting power would vote directly.

Active Staking Rewards

Delegating stake is a valuable activity - by delegating your stake, you are identifying and empowering community leaders. Under the J4J ethos, this valuable activity should still be rewarded.

In Option 1 (Representatives), a delegator would receive ASR on Representative Votes only if their Representative actually voted. This provides an incentive for stakers to ensure they are delegating to active Representatives who are paying attention.

In Option 2 (Opt-In Delegation), a delegator would receive ASR for every vote they participate in, since every vote would be a full DAO vote.

The Decisions In Front of Us

There are three questions to figure out before we take this to a full DAO vote.

  • Should we have optional Delegation, or mandatory Representatives (limited to small budget-impact votes)?
  • If Representatives, how many should we have?
  • If Representatives, what should the budget threshold be for something to be a Representative vote, vs. a Full DAO vote?

As always, looking forward to seeing your ideas below!

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Very interesting, I need to learn more about this.

Thanks, Kash!

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This is awesome! I read again and again but I think delegation is a good option for me. The two option is a good alternative to existing system. No time for missing vote again.

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Actually this is really interesting. I read it slowly and carefully.

because my vote rate still 100% and I am planning to keep maintaining it, i feel really hard to trust my vote to anyone haha.

I am team option 2 (opt-in delegation) :raising_hands:t2:

Also, House of Representative in my country are works badly, that’s why I somewhat dislike the representative system :victory_hand:t2:

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Hey @Kash! I’m super excited for this, especially if it’s done properly. I’m currently leaning toward option 1. I am busy at the airport rn, but I’ll do a write-up expressing my thoughts later today or tomorrow.

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A really fascinating discussion @Kash. I shared a few ideas re delegated voted/ASR reform previously here in the forum so this particular topic is very much down my alley.

Some thoughts on both options:

On the Representative System (Option 1)

Pros: Having reps handle smaller proposals while keeping big decisions for full DAO votes makes total sense and would definitely help with voter fatigue.

Main concerns…

Preventing stake splitting: Anyone can create new wallets and spread their tokens around - how is the prevention of stake splitting actually enforceable in a decentralised system?

Equal voting power issue: Why should a rep with 10,000 delegated JUP have the same vote as one with 1,000,000? This seems to go against the whole point of stake-weighted governance. If someone’s willing to risk more capital, shouldn’t their voice carry more weight?

Vote direction / info problem: If a delegator can change their rep vote-by-vote, don’t they need to know how their rep plans to vote beforehand? Without that knowledge, this flexibility is meaningless. And whose to say a rep won’t change their vote in order to improve their chances of attracting stake so that they can maintain their Community Leader status?

On Opt-In Delegation (Option 2)

Privacy concern: Showing voting history publicly could be problematic. Votes should probably stay private between delegators and their reps to avoid social pressure and potential retaliation.

A few other questions

Rep compensation: worth repeating what @meow brought up in a recent JUP Rally call: how are representatives getting paid for all this extra work? The proposal mentions ASR for delegators but nothing for the reps themselves.

Monitoring reps: If delegators have to constantly watch whether their rep is voting to protect their ASR, what’s the point of delegation? At that point they might as well just vote themselves - it’s probably less work than rep monitoring. A default voting mechanism could help here.

Default voting mechanism: What happens if a rep misses a vote due to illness or other legitimate reasons? Should there be an automatic “abstain” or default option to ensure delegators still get their ASR? Otherwise the DAO is creating potential financial disputes between delegators and their reps.

Final thoughts

While I love this discussion and the fact that we’re trying new things, our goal here should be solving voter fatigue without breaking what makes DAO governance actually work.

Rather than picking one option, maybe we should look at hybrid approaches like:

  • Keeping stake-weighted voting among reps
  • Adding privacy protections for delegation
  • Proper rep compensation

Anyway, those are my early thoughts. Would love to hear what others have to say in the coming days.

Btw isn’t it great to share and discuss all our ideas before a proposal is drafted?

It takes a bit of weight off the discussion and enables a free flow of ideas. :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:

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I like the option 2 if I have to choose imo since I spend about 9 hrs a day in the crypto space and usually about an hour of that on jup. I know this isnt part of the agenda but have you guys thought about automatic app notifications for voting? this way it will alert anyone with the app on their phone that a vote needs to be voted on.

I personally dont believe in delegation because I feel that it is taking away the right to voice your opinion on a topic.

IMO if voter fatigue is the problem here just set everyone to abstain and anyone that makes it for the vote can change it too whatever they want.

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Delegation seems to be a good option…let see

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For option 1, I agree that some of the whales with 5mil+ might be able to fully back 2+ reps all on their own. We need to find a way to prevent stake splitting.

I don’t think the equal voting power issue is too important when it comes to this system. The main focus of this is to speed up the process and streamline it for proposals that are under a certain threshold. However, I agree that the rep system would not be very wise for big budget full DAO votes.

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It’s actually a nice proposal and I will keep reading to get every details in this proposal… shalom :heart:

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For me personally, I prefer Option 2 as I prefer to read the proposals, the discussion from the community and then I make up my mind having gone through all the pros and cons. But if the community decides on Option 1, I would support that too even though my preference was Option 2.

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Yeah, i feel the same, if the delegate got a problem of any sort and has not the chance to vote, would be very upsetting for me, i’m for the 2nd option

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Option 1 it is for me

We defs need to classify Big from Small.

So how we categorise them I’m happy to leave the CWG.
But I do think clearing the backlog needs tk be a top priority. I’m sympathise for JUP N juice who had to wait months for the budget vote to go live.

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Good proposal, I will go for delegation, if the wallet I’m delegate to doesn’t represent my opinion I can easily change it or I should continue with my personal voting record.

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Thank you for opening this important space for discussion. This is a classic debate between direct and representative democracy, but I believe it doesn’t fully address the core issue: how to genuinely and sustainably capture the community’s interest in voting processes so they can be more effective in solving problems and making strategic decisions for the project and the internal economy of the DAO.

Option one, which proposes a representative system, seems interesting because it implicitly recognizes the need for certain mechanisms of intermediation—representatives who can break down and communicate information to less active participants. However, it also introduces challenges that go beyond the delegation of power. For example, while the proposal attempts to limit the influence of whales by preventing stake-splitting, it doesn’t necessarily guarantee that votes represent real people and not multiple wallets controlled by the same entity.

In that regard, one possible improvement could be implementing a Proof of Humanity system to verify that each vote indeed represents a unique individual. This would help prevent artificial concentration of voting power and also give us a clearer picture of how many real people are participating in the DAO, rather than just how many wallets. This system could also help define the expected scale of representativeness more clearly and be applied both on the platform and in mobile apps, with personalized notifications to encourage participation in internal votes or delegation group decision sessions.

Still, even with a representative system, there remains a need to invest time and coordination to build consensus, evaluate representative performance, and create accountability mechanisms for how votes are cast. This raises the question of whether such a system would truly accelerate decision-making or incentivize community participation. Nonetheless, it would be a positive step toward adding organizational complexity within the DAO, enriching its functional dynamics and enabling new forms of community leadership.

Regarding option two, which maintains direct democracy with optional delegation, I believe it aligns more closely with the participatory spirit of a DAO, but still fails to address a deeper issue: the structural disinterest of a large part of the community. Many people don’t participate—not because of a lack of mechanisms, but due to lack of time, context, or real connection with the decisions being made.

In that sense, I propose considering a few complementary or alternative mechanisms. First, the creation of segmented communities functioning as thematic or informational nodes, led by facilitators who can simplify proposals, organize short info sessions, and maintain continuous, accessible communication. These facilitators could be incentivized—perhaps through a portion of the ASR from uncast votes.

We could also explore a system of staggered or simultaneous thematic voting blocks, allowing the DAO to divide voting loads without losing momentum, while giving participants more time for analysis without overwhelming them. Finally, I believe it is essential to provide some form of compensation for community participation beyond simply voting: proposal analysis, content review, or comprehension checks of the issues being discussed are all meaningful ways to contribute to the ecosystem.

In summary, the design of the governance system must go beyond the voting mechanism itself and focus on strengthening a culture of participation, improving the accessibility and flow of information, and building community structures that make involvement more organic, understandable, and valuable for all.

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  1. vote shudnt be fast.. it should and will take time.if u want fast go alone,if go far we go together
  2. someone is bz/lazy is not DAO problem.. if u dont think its not worth it dont vote..
  3. have nothing against ur idea really.. js launch it, no need to discuss, its optional anyway.
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  1. Optional delegation is personally more attractive. Namely because I fear the Representative system is more easily gamed. For example, an individual with 20mm JUP staked (~3% of total staked JUP) unstakes and splits the JUP amongst 20 wallets, with 1mm JUP in each. Assuming these are all (still) in the top 300 (they currently would be), the individual now has 6.7% of all Representative voting power, more than double their previous voting power. While I appreciate there will be a budget threshold to help combat the power this individual might wield (in $ terms), I still am worried about this.
  2. If Representatives is preferable for most others, I like the 301 number. I agree that it is a meaningful number of people, but not an unruly amount.
  3. I actually would prefer a % of DAO treasury instead of a fixed dollar amount, so that as the treasury is depleted, the threshold reduces in $ terms to reflect the greater scarcity of DAO resources remaining. I’d say if 0.5-1% of DAO treasury funds are in play, it should go to a full DAO vote. Perhaps 0.5%, so that it would take about 200 small votes to fully deplete the treasury, which, at one vote per week, on average, would mean 200 weeks or about 4 years.

Thanks for putting this forward. It is an interesting idea and I’m excited to see how others feel about the options, and which option the DAO goes with.

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I think I will still go for the Opt-In Delegation. It aligns more to the DAO’s mission. I think we just need to tweak some things a little bit. If the new governance website will show the voting history, why not include discord roles for Supervoters, at least their friends will know who actively participates in the votes and who’s not. :smiling_face:

If the DAO is slowed by vote backlogs, then move faster. Of those 7 backlogged which are really necessary? We’ve already had two that were completely pointless IMO (Mobile BG & Jupiter Logo). Separate the wheat from the chaff.

Most of the real world has representative democracy because way back when, the technology didn’t exist for direct democracy. It does now. And the reason it is still that way is because once a group of people have power, they will fight like hell to never give it back.

It has been made crystal clear that JUP is 100% a governance token and nothing else. If I am forced to relinquish that responsibility to a delegate, it will have zero value to me.

And if some stakers don’t want to invest the “degree of bandwidth and attention that every vote requires to become adequately informed” then they should not hold the token.

I’m also in agreement with others that have pointed out the potential for whales to split stake to try and game the system.

100% in the camp of Option 2: Opt-In Delegation

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You can’t. That’s why Kash had to ask people to stop botting the Jupiter Lend waitlist on the Planetary Call yesterday.

Are these votes important enough then to be considered for ASR or should they happen outside of it?