WEN Post Launch Analysis

WEN was a fantastic test for our overall LFG concept, stress test across the entire network, a real world test of our bot mitigation measures and our operational competence. We did not too bad on some fronts, learned a lot on others and had one big fuck up.

Recapping Key LFG Concepts

As covered in past posts, we feel like most launchpad mechanisms, including token gated models and isolated pools have the very high potential of hurting the most enthusiastic participants while benefitting other participants, leaving projects off to an bad start.

In addition, we believe well done airdrops to be extraordinarily good mechanisms for targeting audience and rewarding users, but it adds an extremely complicated dynamic to the usual concept of token launches. Tt is very important to understand that the heavy sell pressure from airdrops is IMPOSSIBLE to predict, the only way to go is to allow the buy/sell dynamics to happen at the exact same time.

But essentially if a token has enough buy pressure to push through but the early sell only pool liquidity and early dumpers, it looks likely that it will be able to sustain the price as it goes along, vs the extremely dramatic fomo driven Mount Everest price action we often see in launchpads. Unlike isolated price pools, this is open market, so it is likely an organic reflection of true buy/sell interest.

Therefore the main LFG concepts are:

  • open market environment
  • sufficient sell liquidity at every step of the way
  • avoiding isolated pools or fomo driven fake pumps
  • design of custom liquidity curves
  • mass distribution of tokens to intended audiences

How did WEN do?

In this regard, we believed WEN did pretty well. While many enthusiasts were not able to get the tokens they wanted, but those that did had sufficient time to think about it, got it at a price they wanted and no one got moon trapped. Some botters gained the cheapest part of the price curve and exited early on, the amount they had relative to the total available liquidity was not big enough to affect price action significantly.

It was also able to help WEN scale the number of holders via a voluntary mechanism - aka if you wanted to be part of the community you can hold it, otherwise you could sell it immediately thanks to the abundance of liquidity.

The other key concept we were testing was the price curve design tool developed to help teams go from a super intuitive price curve into a full liquidity distribution loading for DLMM and way for projects to see how much usdc will be in the pool at various price points. While we worked the math insanely hard, it was good to see it playing out really well in actual test, increasing our confidence that it worked well.

See the tool: LFG Curve Design

Lastly, the launch pool served its purpose of being a bootstrap and backstop liquidity pool, allowing buyers to provide liquidity early on (yeh, these are bots), while in the case of a massive withdrawal over next few days, the pool will act as a backstop. It looks like the token is doing fine, so we will be withdrawing the USDC liquidity and sending it over to

All in all, I believe the launch, despite major issues with allow regular users to get access to the cheaper tokens, resulted in a project with very wide holders (> 300K holders), abundance of buy/sell liquidity across the whole process and no artificially generated fomo buy created an good launch IMO.

Let us go into detail on some issues below, some of which I am pretty unhappy with, and no it is not bots.

Scaling

We designed this launch to be as intensive a test as possible, with an even bigger number of recipients than jup. also it is focused on new users compared to jup (older users), so there is a reasonable chance that it will have more recipients than the actual launch.

Solana network performed well, handling network was business as usual, with above average fees for all txns, with the biggest effect is slow confirmations, failed txns. But overall, the liveness was very good, increasing our confidence that Solana has improved substantially from the past.

0xMert Tweet

Across the ecosystem, there were a number of teams experiencing errors due to their systems being stressed out but we believe this to be a fantastic chance for all of us to learn and collaborate.

Special thanks to @vidor_solflare for being hyper awesome and pointing on a few key issues, and @0xMert_ and @brianlong and @buffalu__ for providing a lot of scaling analysis and clarity on the bot issues (below)

Bot Mitigation Features

Basically, the 3 key things we had to help mitigate the sniping bot advantage worked, but they did not worked as well as we wanted them to.

1. Throttling max tokens per swap

We had a mechanism for allowing only a maximum number of swap in the starting new minutes. However, the number was too high initially, in addition, it was in effect for too short, (only 2 minutes). The main constraint here for making this smaller and longer is basically the user experience - while bots can pack swaps and bundle, the user essentially can only have one swap.

2. Steep price curve

Working with the Ovols team, we designed the following price curve. We believed that 1M was a reasonable starting point for price discovery given that that most coins were WAY below that and we did not want to overassume. Also, it was a conclusion between us and the ovols team that given this was still experimental, we should aim to have a smaller amount in the poo.

See the exact configuration here:
https://lfg-design.jup.ag/?k=0.6&i=0.000001&m=0.00003&a=200000&bps=100

With a low price and relatively steep curve, you can see that 5% of the pool starting from 1M FDMC to 5M FDMC was available, while the rest was available for 10M FDMC - 30M FMDC. So one could argue that the first 5-10% of the pool was “free money”, while the rest definitely detailed a good amount of risk.

Snipers and spammers who essentially flooded the network was able to secure much of the first amount of liquidity. There are 2 reasons why these could happen today, mostly because the Solana network has 2 issues right now:

1. spammers have low fees
SIMD-110: Exponential fee for write lock accounts by tao-stones · Pull Request #110 · solana-foundation/solana-improvement-documents · GitHub

2. higher fees does no guarantee inclusion
Solana Fees in Theory and Practice

Given these constraints, we will be looking at very drastic updates for upcoming launches, though each comes wth pretty interesting tradeoffs, and there’s probably not a one size fits all solution.

First and foremost, you canont really have genuine open market price discovery with sufficient liquidity throughout the entire curve. Secondly, the team runs the real risk of sell demand from airdrops overwhelming stable liquidity built up.

The other possibility is to throttle even more aggressively, but you get into a cat and mouse game with spam, jito bundles, etc. In addition, the more aggressive the throttling, the more it becomes an isolated pool, breaking the whole point of it being a open market play.

In summary, both approaches will likely be needed to solve this problem. There is no right answer, but thankfully, we will have many chances to figure this out.

3. Having users be able to execute bots as well

Via DCA/LO and other bots available, (and high slippage swaps) retail users were able to secure a fair amount of liquidity available, particularly in the 10-30M FDV. That said, most users did not get the orders they wanted for several reasons, namely orders greatly exceeded the amount of available liquidity, and blockspace was limited and due to suboptimal UI many users set limit orders to be too low.

In particular, our DCA / LO keepers are not optimised for this use case, but rather with a lot important protections for users. We will be optimising a number of things in order to make it work better for this use case.

Despite this, I stand by my statement that we should not hate on bots and bot operators. We need to both mitigate them harder while also empowering users with more tools.

Transacting On Site

Transactions on site was pretty soon, except for some wallets not functioning well and for users not being able to execute transactions due to blockspace limitations.

On our end, we appeared to have an 2 UI error on LOs.

  • We had a frontend error causing active LOs not to load
  • Canceling LOs not using priority fees

Those will be fixed in the coming launch. For general UX, the most glaring mistake was encouraging users to set an initial LO price that was too low, causing most users not to be able to secure any at all.

Massive Operational Fail

The biggest operational fail here is that after the loading of the airdrop merkle trees, there was 100 tokens left in an account used by the engineer loading the airdrop. He had the idea of loading it into a newly created DLMM pool that had been created for us by the Meteora team as a post launch market making vault to rebalance the active price point, However that 100 tokens, once deposited, were sniped and posted into a raydium pool for fun and profit.

That created a massive panic internally, but we decided to go ahead given the very very small number of tokens affected. There was no ethical problem here, just incredible dumbness. So there’s no firing or anything like that, but he and some else got a fuck ton of MEOWWWWSSSSSS and cat smacks for one entire hour straight and they will be eating a lot of cat shit for the rest of the year.

We already have very tight operational things in place, including creating the special “operator” role in DLMM where the hot operator can load the launch pool, but all LP withdraws into a cold pool.

However, we missed this scenario of having a small amount of tokens being in hot accounts. Moving forward, the exact amount of tokens will be calculated and released for loading, not 1 token will leave a multisig with no

I take responsibility for this for not being through enough, and I am incredibly thankful that we learnt this lesson in a lower stakes beta context, for the understanding of the ovols team, and for the low number of tokens involved.

Summary

This fulfilled our goals of being the first beta launch for LFG. It validated certain key conceptual ideas, but exposing serious holes across the ecosystem, our bot mitigation measure, and severe operational gaps.

We will secure the gaps, fix the bugs and work with the ecosystem to make sure all the gaps are fixed.

Lastly, I am very sorry that the DCA / LOs are not filled appropriately for most users - we will be working really hard to optimise it for this for the JUP launch, and we will have updates

WEN was a seriously, seriously fantastic lesson for us, and I am very glad i did it.

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Edit: Part 2:

Handover took a while to execute (first time is always clumsy, i dunno about yours), so sorry about that. But slow could be good too, depends.

Here’s what went down:

  • We received 1% of WEN tokens as part of LFG Launchpad (0.75% will be kept for the DAO)
  • The launchpool proceeds (3.86M) were withdrawn from the launch pool and handed over to the @wenwencoin team minus the loan with interest.
  • We set up a CPMM pool with a riskless loan of 250K with WEN tokens. Riskless meaning if the price have a massive retreat, we will absorb the loan. The interest on the loan was 10%.
  • The LP tokens from the CPMM pool was handed over to the @wenwencoin team as well, so net we made 25K from interest from the loan, while the 250K is included in the LP tokens. Here’s what will go down next:
  • the @wenwencoin has indicated they will take half the proceeds and WEN from the treasury to increase liquidity depth into a regular MM pool, and it will stay there for the time being depending on market needs

Notes:

  • The hype was all about the burn, but this handover process needs to be much more clear ahead of time so not to cause market panic or overly fud. Will take notes for JUP. -
  • 10% feels too much, needs to figure it out. Guess it depends on time.
  • Fees earned from LPing Launchpool will belong to Jupiter, but this could be revisited
  • We are still figuring out how best to distribute the LFG tokens to the DAO / DAO voters, but we expect that process to be completed soon as well.
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Congratulations on this successful launch @meow and the Jupiter team :partying_face: . Great job I am one of many happy customers and use your platform everyday now instead of the swap feature on my wallet. As a person who wants to get in early enough but is always 10 minutes behind. this feature helped me to get in on an amazing price and allow me to be comfortable enough to provide liquidity to the dynamic pool and understand what I am doing. instead of rushing to get in on a good price and really study $WEN :rocket:

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$WEN was a fantastic lesson @meow and will be the leader for many other lessons to come. :rocket: The $JUP launch is going to be ever more spectacular great work. I’m still stuck on Ovols learning and understanding their utility :sweat_smile:

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me too :vulcan_salute: keep it odd.

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A well learned good lesson, thanks amigo

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Congratulations on this successful launch. :hugs:

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Congratulations to Jupiter team and @meow on this successful launch

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Kudos to you @meow and the entire Jupiter team for this amazing launch. I’m very happy and satisfied users now. I use your platform daily and i love your work.

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I was wondering how that liquidity got leaked. It messes up everyone’s WEN charts man! :laughing: Feed the engineer that fucked up a little more cat shit on my behalf. :rofl:

It’s all good, mistakes happen. You throw degens and bots a little cat toy like that, they’re going to play with it and have fun. It was rather amusing to see fractions of WEN trading for tens of thousands of USD worth of tokens prior to the official launch.

I got burned by some liquidity I provided in one of the way-out-of-bounds pools someone set up on Meteora. I wrongly assumed it was a legitimate pool established with proper price ranges. I should have done some math and realized it was way out of bounds. A good lesson learned for me too.

The WEN launch was a great opportunity for me to help refine my own strategy for the JUP launch. I think many others like me are very appreciative for this launch coming prior to the JUP launch, to gain some insight into what the JUP launch will be like. Equally as helpful is your post-mortem, because it reinforces confidence in the team that the JUP launch will go even better.

From my perspective, the WEN launch went very well. I was able to get in early at a good price just using the jup.ag UI, even with all the botting going on. I will be using the UI for the JUP launch also. All the best!

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WEN did great and still doing well, great work sir meow

I am still grasping many concepts of not only JUP DAO but blockchain/defi/day as a whole and more. I have two questions .

Where can I go to get a good overview or analysis of what it takes to be a more useful member in the crypto space. I love what the JUP DAO is doing. The future of not only JUP but Blockchain has not even scratched the surface.

Also what does LFG mean ?

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I think this forum and the JUP discord are great places to read, stay up to date with, and participate in the JUP DAO ecosystem. Make sure to watch the JUP videos on YouTube that have recordings of weekly DAO calls, AMAs with JUP candidates, and informational videos such as the recent interview with Mert from Helius.

As for LFG meaning, it’s based on the common (but crude) saying of “Let’s F**king Go!”. Commonly used by crypto holders to show excitement about whatever the topic or token is…often followed by lots of rocket and fire emojis:).

JUP DAO, bro…LFG!!!

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